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March rabbit
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Posted - 2016.05.25 09:48:00 -
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Lisbeth Riraille wrote:The people against this are simply min-maxing to a ridiculous extent. It's 10k. It's a tiny SP boost. Don't be like a monkey with its fist in a jar trying to get the last peanut out when you're already sat on a massive pile of peanuts. Let it go, monkey.
Where were You when CCP removed learning skills? You know: those skills which provided small boost to rate of getting SP. And yet, some people never undocked before they finished all the learning skills to V (which takes something like month or two) BEFORE training anything other. Because 'MUH RATE OF GETTING SP'.
And CCP removed these skills. I wrote at that time that this is just the beginning of long road. And now we are here with dailies. Yes, you don't HAVE TO do them but you will 'lose your rate of getting SP'. Doesn't it sound familiar?
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron
The-Culture
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Posted - 2016.05.25 12:45:58 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:...decent job of implementing this stuff so far.
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron
The-Culture
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Posted - 2016.05.25 13:05:48 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:While I can see the other side of the argument I've also seen companies go full on sell out mode and make it so the more money you spend the bigger the benefit.
actually i've commented on 'implementing this stuff'. Dailies system was broken right from the start (who could even imagine killing rats with area-effect weapons??? ) and was disabled like 30 minutes after DT? I would not say that this way of implementing things is 'decent'.
Sexy Cakes wrote:
CCP is trying to get new people by creating 'catch up' mechanics. You guys don't care about the good of EVE you just complain about change at every turn.
'catching up' in Eve existed for many years already. The tool called 'character bazaar'.
And you know what? To achieve 100% 'catch up' for new players CCP needs to remove SP and ISK from the game. And make it so every player has access to each item and everything is free. Only then your imaginary 'new player' will be 'on par' with us 'bittervets'.
However your imaginary 'new player' will still lack game knowledge so then CCP would need to kill all the complexity of Eve Online so it is clear and empty right from the start.
Congratulations! Now you have perfect 'catch up'-enabled game! Would you play it tho? Me - don't.
You really sure you want to go this road?
Sexy Cakes wrote:...it turned out to be a good thing for EVE.
Side question: how do you know it? Right now skill injectors/extractors made the game free for me (i have SP farm) but i have no ideas about effect on the game.
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron
The-Culture
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Posted - 2016.05.26 08:32:37 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:March rabbit wrote:Lisbeth Riraille wrote:The people against this are simply min-maxing to a ridiculous extent. It's 10k. It's a tiny SP boost. Don't be like a monkey with its fist in a jar trying to get the last peanut out when you're already sat on a massive pile of peanuts. Let it go, monkey. Where were You when CCP removed learning skills? You know: those skills which provided small boost to rate of getting SP. And yet, some people never undocked before they finished all the learning skills to V (which takes something like month or two) BEFORE training anything other. Because 'MUH RATE OF GETTING SP'. And CCP removed these skills. I wrote at that time that this is just the beginning of long road. And now we are here with dailies. Yes, you don't HAVE TO do them but you will 'lose your rate of getting SP'. Doesn't it sound familiar? -- Why you wouldn't undock until then...why? They provided no other benefit other than speeding up learning other skills. So you were no better at flying any ship after you finished them than you were once you finished them. In fact, your practical hands on knowledge would be less than if you had undocked. So if this was true, those people were stoopid. -- ...The point still remains, you'd spend at least 2 or 3 months training those skills which was boring and kind of sucked. Getting rid of them was a good thing...
It looks like these two parts were written by two different persons 
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron
The-Culture
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Posted - 2016.05.26 08:42:24 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:KaarBaak wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:
Why you wouldn't undock until then...why? They provided no other benefit other than speeding up learning other skills. So you were no better at flying any ship after you finished them than you were once you finished them. In fact, your practical hands on knowledge would be less than if you had undocked.
So if this was true, those people were stoopid.
The problem is that you'd have to choose between learning the basic skills to get out and fight in a suitably-fit frig or learning the learning skills which would help you learn the frig skills faster. So, you spend a week learning skills to get out and pvp...then a few weeks getting learning skills up...then get into a regular skill plan. Or, you spend a week or two getting those first learning skills (and consuming 3d party knowledge) and 2 days getting those basic frigate pvp skills. It was a legit issue, but it was kind of like waiting in line at the Post Office. You're grumpy and upset about while you're in line, but happy and laughing at the people behind you when you're walking out. But it was similar in that it really had no affect on the people who were the most vocal complainers. Well...yes and no. No in that it wouldn't get you into that frig much faster since you'd first be spending time doing learning skills, and maybe science skills so you can do implants.
Me personally used to create plan for like 2-3 months, then using EveMon apply learning skills for which this plan can be finished faster, then just walk the road.
This way i was getting 'optimal' result for my current needs. Yes, i only got these skills up to IV if i'm not mistaken. But i have never waited just for them before i can go and train what i need. They were always helping me reach my target faster.
So nope. It WAS possible to use learning skills for the benefit and not as reason to not play the game. But as it was too complex thing to understand for many players CCP removed all this system. Like they said 'lowering the bar'.
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron
The-Culture
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Posted - 2016.06.08 14:03:06 -
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Do you have any credible source?
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